What did the Pirates get for Frazier?
San Diego Padres acquiring All-Star second baseman Adam Frazier from Pittsburgh Pirates. The Pittsburgh Pirates have agreed to trade All-Star second baseman Adam Frazier to the San Diego Padres for three minor leaguers, a person with knowledge of the deal told The Associated Press. USA TODAYSan Diego Padres acquiring All-Star second baseman Adam Frazier from Pittsburgh Pirates
What team is Adam Frazier on?
San Diego has acquired All-Star second baseman Adam Frazier in a trade with the Pirates. The trade was first reported by ESPN's Jeff Passan. Pittsburgh will receive three minor league players in the deal: shortstop Tucupita Marcano, right-handed pitcher Mitchell Miliano and outfielder Jack Suwinski. Sports IllustratedPadres Acquire 2B Adam Frazier in Trade With Pirates
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26 July, 2021 - 02:00pm
26 July, 2021 - 02:00pm
The Padres have acquired one of the most sought-after players on the trade market, picking up second baseman Adam Frazier in a four-player swap with the Pirates. Infielder/outfielder Tucupita Marcano, outfielder Jack Suwinski, and right-hander Michell Miliano are the prospects heading to Pittsburgh in the deal, and the Pirates are also sending $1.4MM along with Frazier to San Diego.
It’s the first big move of deadline season for Padres general manager A.J. Preller, who is no stranger to splashy moves and is pushing to get his team first to the NL West title and then deeper into October. While a number of pitching injuries would very well result in some arms being added between now and July 30, Preller recently indicated that a bat was also on his shopping list.
Frazier is enjoying the best season of his seven-year MLB career, hitting .324/.388/.448 with four home runs over 428 plate appearances for the Bucs in 2021. There is some possibility for regression, as Frazier’s .359 BABIP has helped make up for some very low hard-contact numbers, and his .337 xwOBA is well below his .368 wOBA. However, even that xwOBA is still above average, and Frazier somewhat makes up for that lack of hard contact by making a lot of contact in general — fitting the Padres’ model as a player who rarely strikes out.
Frazier is a left-handed hitter, and while the Padres generally lean more to the right side of the plate, Frazier might supplant another left-handed hitting regular in Eric Hosmer. The hot-hitting Jake Cronenworth could slide from second base to take over from Hosmer as the regular first baseman, opening the door for Frazier to become the new everyday second baseman. Since Frazier also has experience as a corner outfielder, he could move into the grass to spell Tommy Pham or Wil Myers, giving San Diego even more positional flexibility.
Since Frazier also has one more year of arbitration eligibility remaining, he’ll be able to help the Padres for both this year’s playoff race and throughout the 2022 season. Frazier was earning $4.3MM this season, so the $1.4MM sent from Pittsburgh will cover most of his remaining salary for 2021, which helps the Padres stay under the $210MM luxury tax threshold.
There was little doubt that the rebuilding Pirates were going to move Frazier by the deadline, given that his strong season only enhanced his trade value. Pittsburgh fans expecting multiple top-100 type prospects may be disappointed by the return, though it’s worth noting that Frazier has been more solid than outstanding during his career, with an even 100 OPS+ and wRC+ over his first six big league seasons. Nevertheless, the Bucs did add three notable prospects to add to GM Ben Cherington’s overhaul of the farm system.
Marcano is the only member of the prospect trio with any MLB experience, appearing in 25 games for San Diego this season and posting a .485 OPS over 50 plate appearances. An international signing from Venezuela in 2016, the 21-year-old Marcano is ranked by MLB Pipeline as the fifth-best prospect in the Padres’ deep farm system, while Baseball America has him in the eighth spot.
The Pirates valued Marcano highly enough that they were willing to include the $1.4MM to the Padres, Rosenthal reports, while other Frazier bidders like the Mariners weren’t asking for any money back in a proposed trade. Heyman adds that the Padres weren’t willing to discuss Marcano back when San Diego and Pittsburgh worked out the Joe Musgrove trade last winter.
There’s plenty to like about the versatile Marcano, who has played mostly second base during his pro career but has also seen a lot of time at third base, shortstop, and both corner outfield slots. At worst, Marcano seems like he’ll have a future as a utilityman, and he could well become a regular due to his excellent contact skills at the plate. Marcano does lack some power, and while he possesses plus speed, BA’s scouting report notes that he will need to improve his baserunning instincts. Marcano skipped Double-A entirely and made his Triple-A debut this year, hitting .272/.367/.444 with six home runs in 199 PA.
Neither Suwinski or Miliano appeared in the top-30 Padres prospect rankings for either Pipeline or Baseball America, but both youngsters have put themselves on the map in 2021. Suwinski was a 15th-round pick for the Pirates in 2016, and hadn’t hit much in his first pro seasons before exploring for a .269/.398/.551 slash line and 15 home runs over 267 PA at Double-A San Antonio. As noted by BA’s Matt Eddy, Suwinski has been doing this despite hitting in a pitcher-friendly home ballpark, though he’ll be moving to another pitcher-friendly location in the Pirates’ Double-A affiliate in Altoona. Suwinski has experience at all three outfield positions, and is just a few days away from his 23rd birthday.
The 21-year-old Miliano has a 6.11 ERA over 94 1/3 innings in San Diego’s farm system, getting to high-A ball this season. Miliano has given up a lot of hits (84) and, troublingly, almost as many walks (78) over his four seasons, but the Pirates were surely intrigued by his ability to miss bats. The right-hander has a 31.74% strikeout rate in the minors, and that number includes an absurd 44.44% rate over 25 2/3 innings at A-level Lake Elsinore this year.
The Padres are not playing, they want to win so bad. That division belongs to the Dodgers, but the Giants could surprise by getting a wild card spot or they could win the division. Preller is going to weaken that farm system. He is not done yet, he is just getting started. He will acquire a few more players. I’m glad for Frazier that will have an opportunity to win and get to the playoff if the Padres make the playoff.
Not sure anymore the division belongs to the Dodgers.
amjr- I don’t even like the Dodgers, but I know that if most of the players were healthy like Mookie, Seager among others that team would be playing much better and possibly in first place. Although, I would like the Giants to win the division.
But they’re not. So what if’s don’t matter. Giants are killing it.
Yeah amjr, it is pretty obvious.
The dodgers have won it 8 straight years and are in 2nd place despite the middle of the order not playing a week together. And the 3rd place team is the 3rd best team in baseball
Call it what you want, but it’s certainly not the giants division because of the standings in July
The difference is the Giants are without their mid 30’s aging veterans that were bad contracts as recently as last season Crawford and Longoria….while the Dodgers have been without perennial MVP candidates Betts and Bellinger during parts of the season as well as losing Bauer the past few weeks….
Huge difference in what each team has been without and I don’t go off just this years anomaly type season that Crawford and Longoria have been having….the last couple seasons they were basically average or below average considering their price tags….
All that plus Gausman has been pitching like Scherzer and he is no Scherzer lol….things should start to settle in once the Dodgers get healthy….
As far as the Giants extreme depth….their backups wouldn’t even make most good teams rosters….they are all playing above their heads….look up their stats over the past 3 years or so….
Really? The Dodgers have so many players out hurt and they are still only 2 games back of SF in the standings. They are down 3 starting pitchers, they are missing their starting SS, RF, CF and have some guys in the bullpen that are hurt. They will get healthy pretty soon and I am not bashing the Giants in the least. They will battle it out with the Dodgers for the rest of the year but don’t count the Dodgers out.
The giants aren’t beating the dodgers right now in the division, the dodgers are beating themselves. . The dodgers will get it together and win the NL West
I don’t think it’s fair to say that the team in second place “owns the division”
Lets be real here, the dodgers have won the NL West the last 8 years in a row; its pretty safe to say they own the division.
circaflex- Thank you, you know what I mean.
Fair point that the Dodgers have won 8 in a row but SF also has the best record in baseball, it’s not like they’re leading a weak division.
And the giants have the same amount of World Series wins as them in that time frame
Except those 8 titles mean nothing in respect to 2021.
Maybe “owned” is best used here?
Lcut32- The Giants are leading the division by two games. To be honest that is nothing with so many games left to play. The Dodgers could catch up easily. The Dodgers are the Dodgers for a reason. But, I’m going to stop talking about the Dodgers because from that division I like the Giants and only the Giants.
I don’t know how they have actually been a bigger pain in the rear to your cardinals by far then the dodgers in the playoffs since 2000 ! I guess that earned respect instead of disdain
Didn’t the giants win a ws or 2 during that 8 year dodger division title run?
@I Beg To Differ One. The first 2 came before the Dodgers’ division title run started.
That an a 1/3 of a season will get you one World Series win in the last 33 years.
Oh and about 7-8 billion in payroll.
Which any of the other teams in baseball would have celebrated and earned it as much as the Dodgers did. Stop with this 1/3 of a season BS. They beat Atlanta, San Diego and Tampa to get the trophy. If say the Yankees would have won the Championship last year everyone would have been singing their praises about how great they are.
Preller is confusing the fact that he CAN make moves with the idea that he SHOULD. He’s just in on every name player on the market, because he’s got the farm to do it. But honestly I don’t see a championship team here, and meanwhile their farm has deteriorated alarmingly. This guy that the Pirates got was the Padres #5 by mlb.com. A couple years ago he’d have been in the teens.
San Diego robbed the pirates. Wtf are they doing they cheaped out on drafting the best player in the draft now this is their no grown ups consulted in the big boy desition making.
How did they cheap out on the draft when they used up their entire bonus pool?
Dang they got a second Jake Cronenworth… tough
Yep, that’s what it is. Hosmer , Myers, Profar, and whoever’s catching are all inconsistent.
Cronenworth has been outstanding defensively. Makes no sense to move him off second.
Hosmer refuses to make any adjustments to his groundball to 2b approach. Use him as a PH in non double play situations. If he won’t make changes, they would be better off if they just cut him, .
The only way this trade makes sense to me is if Preller is admitting his mistake signing Hosmer.
I think everyone else knew it before the ink dried.
Hosmer was the shiny penny that offseason. It was Prellers way of saying, hey look, the Padres aren’t messing around anymore. He knew he overpaid. But then he got Machado and other pieces fell into place. Preller has done as good as you could hope in general. I mean, he’s no Farhan, but….
Except people in SD on this site..
@ben w. Machado and other pieces still would have signed with the Padres if they hadn’t signed Hosmer first. It’s been proven.
Hosmer sounds like the 2nd coming of Chris Davis
Wait, wait – it’s Geno Suarez that’s the next Chris Davis….
Yeah it gave the Pads some credibility. When Mets signed Pedro Martinez, Omar Minaya stated he was having trouble getting backup FA infielders to talk to him.
They are really coming for Dodgers Blood. Wonder who they gave up.
Frazier’s hard contact numbers suck, or at least they don’t match a guy with the topline numbers he’s put up this year. He’s a house of cards, a league average type dude (which isn’t nothing) having a stupid-hot half season. Regression is coming. That’s why this was the best the Pirates could do.
Not one of their top prospects.
They’ve been saying that for a while now. Nobody is worried about the Padres.
and this is what we call “blissfully unaware” in the trade.
Someone must be, enough so to feel the need to post that they’re not worried anyway.
Exactly. The Dodgers and Giants have had a ton of injuries and the Pads still are in 3rd place. Hell the Giants are without their starting infield and are still kicking a&&.
You don’t think the Padres been dealing with a ton of injuries too? Lamet was their ace last year, Tatis missed a lot of time, almost all of their bullpen has been on the IL, still have Clevinger out, Grisham missed a lot of time and I can go on. Baseball teams go through streaks and all three teams are a losing streak or winning streak away from dropping down or moving up. The head to head matchups are going to be crucial!
I guess they are out on Gallo.
Holy smokes. Padres going all in.
what does this say about what we might have to give up for Marte?
Starling Marte? He’s worth WAY more than Frazier. Plays CF, has been good for a long time, hard-hit numbers match his toplines. He’s good.
Extra year of control and the salary obligations partially offsets the performance. Value is different; but not THAT different.
Marte-Another guy given away by BC.
@Darkside830 I don’t think we have the prospects to get it done.
Padres are back at it. Making trades just for the sake of making trades.
Is that it? They acquire a 3.1 WAR player who leads MLB in hits … and it;s just for the sake of making a trade? Really?
Well at least Preller is at least admitting his 8 year 144 million dollar man is a bust
Happens. I remember the dodgers signing every big name international free agent they could get their hands on. Even if it meant drawing the attention of the feds.
Doesn’t count against the payroll of they aren’t on the 40 man roster.
Still a waste of 200+ million collectively. And owners arent going to dish out 200+ mill and then be like let’s spend 200+ mill more.
Yeah but the Dodgers don’t need money. They don’t care about that.
Puig was worth it just for getting Downs and Gray alone. No way the rest collectively add up to 200 million. Diaz was traded for Machado so that was fine too.
170 mill just in those 6 alone. That’s not including other big name guys or Diaz.
They traded Olivera and didn’t eat the whole contract while doing so. And like I said if they aren’t counting towards the luxury tax, they aren’t hurting the team. Hosmer is.
Wait I beg to differ is comparing what 7 international free agent wild cards just before the new rules came into play from half a decade ago to one guy on the active roster with a MLB deal taking MLB at bats and trying to draw parallels. Ahhahahah wow man. Keep trying
Spending money is spending money regardless where owners spend it.
Spending 200+ mill on international players is 200+ mill owners didn’t invest in the mlb product. You don’t get that money back if it doesn’t work out.
Saying it didn’t hurt the it didn’t hurt the team cause x y z is incorrect. It did hurt the team.
Like I said before. Owners aren’t dishing out 200+ mill on international free agents and then spending 200+ mill more to improve the mlb product.
Whatever money the dodgers invested in those high priced free agents it took away from the owners ability to spend on other players.
Hey amk, don’t make him actually prove his point with facts. That makes it less impactful
“ Like I said before. Owners aren’t dishing out 200+ mill on international free agents and then spending 200+ mill more to improve the mlb product.”
Go look at the dodger payrolls for the year. The mlb team wasn’t hurting. Again, would require you to argue with facts to know this though.. In fact, the Padres even copied this strategy a few years later,, they were just more restricted
Wait. Frankie thinks international free agent contracts don’t affect team spending too? Bwhahas. Good one Frankie. Maybe one day your brain will produce an actual intelligent comment. But seems that day is not today.
2015 was in the middle of all those signings and they ran out a 300 million dollar payroll lol. It was Friedmans first season and he was eating money to set them up better long term.
Don’t argue with I Beg to Differ or he’ll post like 500 comments calling you a bunch of insults and then mute you.
Don’t bother arguing with I beg to differ, huge ego and huge homer. You can present numbers and stats to disprove what he says and he still stands by what he says even if wrong. It’s like trying to describing to a flat earther that the world is round with photos and actual video footage and they still don’t believe you.
We can’t all be smart like you thinking yu darvish would net more than Blake Snell or have great ideas like your horrendous nba trade that make 0 sense unless youre a faker fan. Kuzma for buddy hield straight up…. lmao. Just stop. Nobody wants the Lakers trash.
Payroll you mean managers, executives, the ifa players, etc etc etc lmao..thats your argument? Bwahahhahahaha
How much was their actual team spending?
They barely spent anything on the mlb roster during their big ifa spending years to improve…..wonder why…..maybe because the owners spent money on ifa guys…..wait no thatd make too much sense why mlb salary only went up 15-20 mill in that 3 year span. Well better luck next time amk. Thanks for confirming their spending on ifa did affect their ability to spend more on the mlb roster. Proved my point for me.
Isn’t Olivera the woman beater that the Padres ended up paying 20 mil (or more) in a trade with Atlanta? They knew he wasn’t ever suiting up but it was part of a salary swap.
@Longtimecoming yup. Traded Matt Kemp for him. That’s how bad Kemp’s contract really was.
LMAO so they were running out a payroll well over 200 million on their major league roster (no that does not include coaches or any non-players) and you are saying that somehow hampered them? They spent over 100 million on Kazmir and Maeda after 2015. After 2016 they spent almost 200 million on just bringing back Turner, Jansen and Hill. But sure they were somehow hampered by a bunch of IFA signings that’s every team was doing at that time. Boston gave Moncada 60 million and then handed Price and Porcello almost 300 million combined. You’re just spitting out nonsense to try and justify the terrible Hosmer signing lol
I beg to differ same guy that said snell would be next coming of Christ lol. Darvish has also looked pedestrian, keep dreaming salty troll
Before. You’re posts are catching more air than Bellinger’s bat, maybe take a MLBTR rest day?
Yeah Brewer? Those likes on near everything I’ve said this thread suggest otherwise
Go ahead. Make a case. What have I messed up? Cmon. You never do…
Aside from Puig that group delivered a whole lot of nothing.
The Padres may be able to move Hosmer over the winter as the most expensive part of his contract has basically passed though i imagine that will be no easy task. Preller is spending money but at least this time it seems to be heading in the right direction after the Kemp/Upton/Upton/Shields/Kimbrel flop a few years back (though Shields eventually paid off by bringing back Tatis in trade)
“The Padres may be able to move Hosmer over the winter…”
I’ll take “Things that won’t happen” for $500 Alex.
ibeg to differ sounds like the baldphoenix troll. complete idiot
That’s why the Pads have ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS in 55 years.
Correct, which is the same amount the dodgers have the last 33 seasons.
They don’t need to respond to a 3rd place team. Giants are the rival this season.
Yeah because those wild card teams never do anything in the playoffs.
Abs unlike most wild card teams who throw their clear #1 and have a steep drop, the Padres would line up nicely in the first round.
Really they stink on road .500
Says the ghost of Giants past.
So says ghost of past pirates
What does an Angel fan know about the playoffs. That’s like a vegetarian telling you how to prepare a great steak.
It’s arrogant to think the Padres aren’t competition for the Dodgers at this point.
The Padres are an erratic team this season. 2 steps forward 2 steps back. They are on track to make the playoffs but they aren’t consistent enough to go on a deep run.
But they’re they are still only 3 games back of the Dodgers? So what does that say about them?
You are acting like they have been erratic and also 10 plus game behind the dodgers and giants, but they are not.
Dodgers have been erratic too but haven’t had Seager since May
Giants have been missing most of their starting infield for months…all while still leading the league in win prcnt.
The Dodgers haven’t had their regular starting lineup together all season long and the Pads still are behind them in the standings. So what does that say about them?
Dodgers know the Padres are loaded and barely got by them in the playoffs last year.
Swept them with power too, it was not light winning and just a few runs here and there
Barely got by? Dodgers out scored them 22-7 in 3 games lol. Padres fans are literally aids, just make up whatever narrative they can. Padres are good yes, they aren’t better than dodgers even while dodgers are injured. Speaks volumes
SportsFan next. you will tell us that that Padres almost beat the Tigers and the Yankees in the 84 and 98 World Series.
Just like amk, before McCourt, tatsumaki, and west coast Ryan get scared when they see my comments.
Preller and the Padres literally never fail to disappoint year after year when it comes to big moves.
They only fail to disappoint in getting to the post-season and winning.
So they should never try to get better?
This ownership has put a winning team on the field and baseball is better because of it.
Nobody is saying not to try. The issue with Preller is how he goes about trying.
It’s a question of how. They keep weakening what was once an incredibly deep farm system to get overrated guys at the peak of their value. They did it with Snell, just did it again.
It *is* entertaining, & Padres fans are the one’s most “entertained”. Bet on that too.
Not sure Padres fans are that entertained. Seems like every year they get declared the winners of the off-season, but fall short when it counts.
Not sure, just my opinion, but if I were a Padres fan, I think I’d be more frustrated than entertained.
Besides his initial year, Preller has been rebuilding up until last season though. I admit to an ALcentric fandom but my impression is that this “all in” mentality is relatively new.
& I love what Preller has been doing. Major signings & trades, incremental & depth additions. He keeps improving his club any way he can.
Perhaps I am wrong. Figured Padres fans would like seeing how he is putting their ballclub together.
I think their fans are jacked tho currently , I mean if they aren’t now, when will they ever.
There’s some forgotten landmines in the nearby fields the fans can sense but none have gone off yet so the villagers shall remain somewhat at peace
Love Preller, our newfound “direction” and our ability to compete. The farm is still strong, too. Sunny days here!
Hate to break it to you but the Padres farm is incredibly weak once you get past the top 4.
@Remove, actually it’s solid top to bottom.
Outside the top 4 their entire farm is either lottery tickets or guys whose upside is bench pieces/relievers.
I would definitely disagree with “incredibly weak after 4.” Lots of players in the pipeline. Lawson, Mears and Thompson to name 3 more in the Top 10. Great IS and Draft, too. Pick #20 will not sign, but lots of talent was taken in the first 19 rounds. We haven’t even discussed our Top 11-30 prospects. The farm is just fine even after all the movement and Rule 5 crunches. Agreed to disagree if that is still your take. Aloha!
Lawson is coming back from TJ and had back-of-the rotation upside before TJ. Mears is a lottery ticket. Thompson is a reliever. With no more top 10 picks because the team is good now some of those lottery tickets are gonna have to hit for the farm to even come close to where it was a year ago.
Don’t forget their international signings. They’ll be adding players back to the farm via drafts and ifas.
What other sports in San Diego are there to be entertained by? The mighty Aztecs or the exciting Gulls of the minor league hockey. San Diego=Minor League Sports Town.
Yep. Once upon a time San Diego had two different NBA franchise and one NFL team.
The San Diego Rockets left for Houston in 1971 after a short 4 year-run as an NBA expansion franchise. The San Diego Clippers lasted a lot longer but eventually left for Los Angeles.
Cue up LA one more time when the NFL San Diego Chargers also relocated to La-La Land in 2017, ironically after originally playing in Los Angeles during their inaugural 1960 season.
Damn, team fails at winning something they have a 1/30 chance to win. Shocking.
But it always makes a good hot take.
Umm they made the playoffs last year, won a playoff series, and then lost to the WS Champs. Are positioned in 2nd WC currently and stillworkingto get better. I think they are doing fine.
We’re Number 5! We’re Number 5!
Unless they bench Hosmer and move Cronenworth to first base it makes no sense
He also plays outfield, so it makes lots of sense
He’s played all of 21 games in the OF since 2019. It also appears that he’s limited to LF. Other than the occasional OF fill-in, him at 2B with Cronenworth at 1B, is the only way this makes sense to me.
Yeah he ain’t playing OF. If they traded for him with that idea, they’re dumber even than I thought.
Not good OF (Myers Hosmer platoon)
Cronenworth or Frazier would play the OF the days Hosmer are in the lineup. Hosmer would not play the OF
Frazier also plays corner outfield. Probably move him into right and bench meyers
Let’s bench 144 mil 1B and Myers for 82 mil stinks
Needed add, you would think the Pirates got a good return here
Frazier is having a really good first half. Anything before that wasn’t so much better than league average. I think your expectations were to high.
Padres looking for a 2nd half push to take it all.
“one of the most sought-after players on the trade market”
Was he really though? I’m thinking the Padres just overwhelmed them with an offer.
If he was the most sought after player this trade wouldn’t have been made today. Unless the team had an internal deadline for offers. But to me the team got an offer they couldn’t refuse
The question was “one of,” and he certainly was. Not every trade has to wait until minutes before the deadline.
It’s too early to tell if he was “one of”. If some guys like Max, Gallo, or Bryant, get traded, then I’d guess the most sought after doesn’t apply.
Yep. I think this offer came with a deadline and the Pirates took it
He was a starting All Star. Only 18 of them in the league.
That just means the fans voted for him. Who tf cares?
It speaks to nothing about his future performance as a baseball player
This move makes the Padres a legit contender to Mets if they play. Getting kind of scared. ( before this trade they were still able to beat us in a playoffs series. But now I’m worried we could lose.)
Metsfan 22 never fails to make any possible story about the Mets lol. Are you so sure they actually win the division there chief boss?
Mets are trash, just like you
I’m happy I made you smile
Metsfan22 has single-handedly brought shame and disgrace upon the Mets fanbase for generations to come.
He is embarrassing. I picture some guy living in his basement with his mom yelling at him from top of stairs and yells back “leave me alone mom im making a comment here”
It’s all a joke. He’s never serious. I fall for it, but it’s a gag.
To be fair I’m a one game Degrom V Darvish I’m taking DeGrom but a series between the two wouldn’t go to the Mets
Until degrom blows elbow or shoulder
deGrom has got to be on the field to pitch.
What are you even talking about? Lol
Im one of the biggest Mets fans out there, your delusional. The Mets if they make the playoffs will be the worst team out of every team to make the playoffs
Such a great move. Gives Crone time at first while we can keep Hosmer benched when he is cold and better outfield options.
Wasn’t that why they acquired Kim? That worked out well. Oh well, it’s only money.
Major injury insurance. Outfielder or infielder goes down. No biggie. Huge mega elite depth now. Keep guys fresh down stretch.
Quick look Lange Lawson look like Cherington guys. If its Hassle I will be amazingly impressed.
He can play the outfield. Next they should trade Myers or Hosmer to the Red Sox, the other can play first. Of course the Padres who have to pay down almost all their saleries to make a trade even possible and only expect to get a marginal prospect in return. Or keep them both. I guess one could DH if they make the World Series. Do they really have that great a farm system that they can trade away so many prospects?
The Red Sox don’t need anyone who can hit until the 8th inning.
Padres will mix and match him.
I can see Myers playing first and Frazier playing in the OF when they face a lefty starter.
They’ll most likely rotate Frazier through 3B, 2B, 1B, RF, LF to give guys days off or as mentioned above move Myers to 1st against lefties.
Where does Jake from State Farm play now?
And will he still be wearing khakis?
Khakis are a go the red shirt a no.
Would be funny if the NL West each picked a player from the Pirates. Pads get Frazier, SF gets RichRod, LA gets Anderson
Sadly that is still an improvement over Josh Fuentes. And I am talking of Mario Mendoza TODAY, not in his playing days.
Padres just keep getting better and better. And still have a solid farm system.
Success on the field determines improvement. Not high profile acquisitions.
Farm is middle of the pack now. Gore is looking more bust-like every week. This guy they gave to the Pirates was rated #5 in their system. That’s not a “solid” system in my book. All they really have left is Abrams.
Gore will win the Cy Young in 2024. They just need to be patient with him.
A Pirates fan, Lucy, a football, and Charlie Brown walk into a bar …
2B and OF, they’ll mix and match and make room.
Are they giving Kim away then?
Nice. They’re 17th middle infielder! Just kidding. It’ll only their 16th.
Good to see teams trying to compete, not focused on payroll and luxury tax concerns.
SD are underplaying, SF are overplaying, the obvious outcome will happen.
Anyone who says the giants are overplaying isn’t paying attention. They are actually injured and underplaying
He’s just frustrated his athletics are now 6 games out In the al west and barely holding off the Mariners for wild. Card spot 2 !
Ignored champion who’s in the middle because that makes his point harder to prove
next is Bryan Reynolds to Giants
He’s a good player, congrats to San Diego. Very happy he’s not a Blue Jay or a White Sox
Yea i really think the jays could have used him, then trade semien cuz they r not contending this year
I get this trade makes them better, but their outfield is their weak link, not their infield. Now Hosmer or Cronenworth don’t get regular ABs. I get Hosmer hasn’t been the best but they really gonna sit their 3rd most expensive player and best defender at 1st?
He can play the outfield as well.
Not only can he play the outfield but he is a marked upgrade offensively over other options. Shifting Cronenworth to first would be the logical move. Everyone raves about Hosmers defense while he sits at a negative WAR for the year and, by the way, rates below avg on DRS and UZR fielding metrics. They have little leverage to trade either Myers or Hosmer bc if their performance so someone is getting benched.
Pham is a free agent this off-season. Frasier has another year of arbitration. I guess the Padres know who will be playing LF for them next year now.
I would absolutely love for the Pirates to take on one of their bad contracts, Myers or hell even Hosmer, I mean they have a ton of money they can spend and really no one set to make much except for Reynolds. Why not up the payroll a bit and essentially buy prospects, doing that would most likely get a Mackenzie Gore.
Wth you talking about?? You think you’re getting Gore in a Frazier trade??? Gore has been terrible and has the yips and there aren’t 3 bad contracts that would bring him back. Look what the Pirates actually got… basically no one.
In honor of new HOF inductee Hawk Harrelson, an appropriate White Sox response to this trade: “He gone, dadgummit!”
Also White Sox’s lose an option to try and Trade for and Story and if Baez,Turner come available will cost top prospects maybe.
Sox aren’t going to do anything, which means a quick exit come playoff time.
Why are you being so pessimistic? I was hoping that Adam Frazier might be a White Sox instead of a Padre but there is still ample time to make deals ahead of the 3:00 pm CT Friday trade deadline. Rick Hahn still has many more available trade options in which to upgrade the 2B. position. He also has nearly 5 days left to add an impacting bullpen arm, maybe another left-handed OF bat and perhaps a veteran backup catcher. I’d be surprised if the “Sox aren’t going to do anything”.
I’m not being pessimistic, I’m just being real. The Sox never do anything by trade deadlines. I’m saying I hope they do THIS time, because if they don’t, that’s a wrap. They’re not an elite team, not even close. So sitting here thinking a DH coming back from a 3-month IL stint is going to change that is delusional.
Outside of last year’s abbreviated pandemic season, it’s been a while since the White Sox were legitimate postseason contenders at the summer trade deadline(s). More often than not they were pretenders come late July or in their recent rebuilding mode.
Before 2020, 2012 was the last season in which the White Sox were in the thick of a pennant race. The White Sox were typically quite active as mid-summer buyers after Kenny Williams replaced GM Ron Schueler following the 2000 season. The Williams/Rick Hahn regimes may not have the greatest batting average with their deadline trades but to suggest they have been sitting on their hands is blatantly false.
Much rather see them pursue a rental. Only way a Frazier deal made sense would be if they sent the Bucs their own slappy.
The Padres don’t have a prime need for another second baseman with Jake Cronenworth on their roster. Waiting for Dave Nightingale to confirm that he or Adam Frazier will be flipped to the White Sox for a pitcher, an OF/1B and lotto pick Elijah Tatis!
Padres’ offer to Machado was still better than the White Sox’s offer.
Meh. Not a major loss. Lighten up Frances.
#5 prospect for Frazier, I will take it
I hope there is still a 3rd player coming
It’ll be interesting to see where they put him in the lineup.
2 spot in front of Nando and Machado…?!
He has a career OPS+ of just 105, I doubt that qualifies him a critical spot in lineup
Terrible return, Pittsburgh are so bad at everything.
The prospects they gave to Bucks are………. meh
Not bad. Adds depth to OF, especially LH depth, and INF plus keeps him away from Dodgers and Giants who were probably in on Frazier for depth purposes as well.
The Sox should have no use for Myers or Hosmer unless Preller will pay down one of those contracts with significant prospect capital. That being said, I like this deal on the Pads behalf
Looks like an awful return. As a Pirates fan, looking for more starting pitching prospects, don’t see the hype around a utility guy with a light bat.
Don’t sleep on Marcano. He’s got a good eye and just needs time to develop. He’s young and raw. But he’s got good bat to ball skills and could be a decent bat with high OBP and good defense guy for many years.
Yeah, Bucs traded Frazier for a younger version of Frazier. This guy’s had a great year. But this ain’t exactly like trading Frank Robinson.
This. The Pads didn’t give up much, but didn’t get much, a journeyman Craig Counsell type riding high BABIP to a career high first half. Pirates simply replacing him with the next man up.
Hey A hole camel. What did you think they would get for Frazier????? It was adequate compensation.
This is proclaimed after every Preller trade, and within a year thats almost never the case…
Apparently, Rick Hahn forgot to set his alarm clock…
Meh. Simply lost out on a fringey guy with weak bat to ball but high contact rate. Kind of like the slappy they already have.
How about trading for rotation and bullpen help?
Day’s not over. Preller will have at least 2-3 more trades by Friday.
At first glance I’m finding it a little hard to believe that this is the best they could have gotten for Frazier.
I’m not really sold on Frazier’s offensive breakout and I’m curious to see how the Padres fit him into the lineup, but they still got a useful player at a very reasonable price.
When Padres are up against a lefty starter Myers moves to 1st as a RH bat and Frazier goes to the OF.
But we will see how they use him. They needed a LH OF.
Myers hasn’t played 1st all year, this trade makes it even more unlikely
Myers has experience playing 1st, and is RH.
Acquiring Frazier makes Myers playing 1st against lefties more likely as you can keep Cronenworth at 2nd and put Frazier in the OF.
Or put cronenworth at 1st and Frazier at 2b.
Preferably which ever yields the best defensive alignment. My guess would be cronenworth 2b Myers 1st, Frazier OF.
Great respect for your insights on posts. But assuming they try dusting off Myers 1B glove as a pennant drive experiment, under what scenario would it make sense to replace LH bat Hosmer at first with RH bat Myers, while placing LH bat Frazier in RF instead of RH bat Profar?
When youre facing LH starters. Which is what. Once a series if that?
They were discussing putting Nelson Cruz in the OF and possibly 1st as twins had him taking reps.
Frazier is a life time .273/.323/.383 hitter against lefties. High average some options ability against same handed pitching.
Profar is a life time .248/.321/.394 hitter against lefties when batting right handed.
If we are looking at who to play in RF I’m picking Frazier to start. Profar offers more versatility as a switch hitting bench option later in the game or as a pitch runner off the bench.
So both Profar and Frazier are sub .400 SLG against lefties, and both Hosmer and Myers are above. Im not sure where the value of replacement is? Frazier is by far the least likely to steal a bag or hit a HR. It’s nice to add even more depth but when SP can’t get past 4th inning I’m not sure it’s a top priority.
Hosmer is a .250/.297/.386 hitter against lefties in his career.
Which is why Myers shifts to 1st against lefty starters.
As to Frazier or Profar it’s really a decision for Tingler.
I’d go with Frazier for the better average and better contact skills and use profars versatility late in games but that’s me.
Didn’t know Hosmer was .386 against LHP. Ouch. But then they’re replacing him with a guy who has slugged at .383. Ouch again. Maybe the trade off wasn’t worth Marcano and Suwinski is all I’m saying. Marcano was a valuable trade piece. There has to be more to come with this trade I have to believe.
Surprised this is the best haul the Pirates could get
You mean they didn’t get a Marte or Hancock quality player plus another player or two Bucs fans said Seattle would have to give up? They should have gone with Seattle and gone Trammel route. Bat is up and down but fielding is good. We sweep Astro’s going to have to be taken seriously. Doubt will happen but 2-1 will work.
Would have been nice if they did it before the giants series, they couldn’t get him out
Pirates could have waited until 2022 trade deadline and got this package. At least wait until the 30th or off season. Horrible.
It was a fair trade. He could easily hit 250 the last 2 months.
He definitely could regress but not that bad. I figure he is in between the .325 hitter he is now and the .275 he was. It’s a ok trade. I got dramatic. Just 2 Padres pitchers I like and was hoping for one of them. Never expected a top 100 guy but thought it would be a little better than this. The other 2 guys are stealthy sneaky. Just figured pulling the trigger now could fetch a couple top 30 guys, not guys who could or should be in the top 30.
I over reacted some but I don’t love this trade. Maybe not a F but no better than a C. I am not as high on this SS as ranking sites are. I ? sticking at SS, possible but no certainty. His upside is he is crazy young for AAA MLB and more power could come. All true. But some guys peak at 21 and power doesn’t come. Mlb had him ranked 5th. I would have been a lot happier with their 6th or 7th best prospect instead. Pitchers with electric arms. I could be wrong. I am just a guy watching games on tv. Haven’t been to a game in 2 years. After their draft I will give them a pass. See how things look in a few years. Can’t believe they had to send cash. And this was the offer that they jumped on 5 days before the deadline. Like I said, I didn’t jump for joy as this trade was going down.
C for both. Meh return for a meh pickup. Back to your fainting couch, oh DramaQueen GM.
Mad props to Dream GM for being self aware enough to deescalate within the same thread. Wish more posters had the capacity to check themselves.
Great pick up for the Padres. They have stunned everyone this year with all of their pick s and they still are sitting in 3rd.
I said earlier the return would be worse than everyone would have expected. Guy is an above average player playing over his head for 2/3rds a season, but nothing special. He will be valuable to the padres because of his versatility. He was of no use in pittsburgh since he is a FA in 23 and they will not compete before that.
This. Pirates fan base get it.
Can’t believe the Pirates couldn’t do better than that, Preller got them
Something else. I knew this chicken s–t franchise was going to trade him before they came home on Tuesday. Tomorrow was the real deadline for a deal.
July 30 is the real deadline for a deal.
It gives Pirates more days to try and trade other guys.
They knew that the fans would react poorly even though it needed to be done is what I’m saying if he was traded in the 8th inning tuesday night at home. Anderson will get traded too, but no one will care about him as he is mediocre anyways and only here a few months (came to get traded somewhere better in all reality).
Not a bad player and didn’t give up anyone I’ll miss but I don’t see the fit. Rather they go after Max Scherzer or Jon Gray.
Maybe they use him next year to replace Pham??? I don’t really get it either. Offense looks like it’s good enough. Need pitching.
@99socalfrc he’s primarily a 2B right? They already have Jake Cronenworth there.
no, prior to this season and last, he played corner outfield quite a bit for the bucs.
Everyone would rather have Scherzer, but he would cost a lot more in prospects – if he is even available. And who knows if the Rockies will trade Gray, especially within the division.
There are lots of pitchers available besides Scherzer. Hell they could probably call the Cubs and get Davies back for the rest of 2021.
@gbs42 No, Scherzer will not cost more in prospects. He turns 37 years old on Tuesday and is a free agent at the end of the season. And the Rockies would be stupid not to trade Gray within the division if that’s where the best offer comes from. An in-division trade for Gray would hurt the other team a lot more because they would be the ones giving up long-term pieces and then having to face those long-term pieces on a division rival for potentially the next decade whereas the Rockies only have to face Gray on a division rival for 2 months where they aren’t contending anyway.
And the Nats and Rockies both basically have to trade Scherzer and Gray.
I wonder if Preller will try to find someone to take on the Kim contact. So far, the Kim signing has been a disaster but if the Pad’s agree to eat 50% of it, Kim to Miami or another small market team (like Oakland) could make some sense. I’d expect the Pads to add more pitching and Kim could be a piece of any such deal. The kid still has serious upside but he has no place to play in SD, especially after adding Frazier.
He has a pretty long list of contracts no one wants.
Can they send him to AAA?
Kim? Yeah per his contract they can demote him, he just makes the same regardless of whether he’s in SD or El Paso. That said, he’s among their better bench options still so it really makes no sense for them to do so right now. They’ll probably option O’Grady to make room on the 26 man. At some point they need to do something with Mateo too, he just can’t hit.
Kim has been great defensively all across the IF, but the bat has really been lagging, especially against higher velo since they throw much slower on average in the KBO. He has looked a little better offensively as of late, so hopefully he’s on the upswing and just needs more adjustment time.
I mentioned AAA as an option just so he has his regular at bats, I really like him and is too early to think he won’t be any good.
Well here’s the thing. The Pads have Machado, Tatis & Croenworth along with an elite SS prospect in Abrams. Which one of these guys sit in order for Kim to get regular playing time over the next year or two? Maybe they plan on Kim being a super utility guy but that’s a large chunk of change to pay for that position. With the Frazier acquisition, Kim’s playing time will be further reduced this season so I think they should consider moving Kim if they believe Abrams is the real deal. If not, trade Abrams for a stud SP and go for the title this season.
Regular at bats in the minors until he gets use to US pitching, I really think he needs that
Don’t know if this is true but I heard when we signed Kim that he got a “no-minors clause.”
He did say he would go down if the team needs him to. Doubt he ever sees the Minors, just fyi. He is learning just fine and brings Gold Glove caliber D. Kim is a wonderful bench piece to have.
I’ll be interested to see if the Pirates try to plug Marcano in at second right away or let him keep playing at AAA. There certainly isn’t any need to rush the kid, the Bucs aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
He could be a possibility for the short term. Or Difo I suppose.
Maybe another starter for the Padres cuz Snell sucks
I guess he is a better hitter than Hoz against LHP, so it makes a lot of sense, Myers plays 1B against LHP, they also needed that (a pure hitter a guy who can get on base in front of tatis and the others) the bench got better too, now just get Scherzer.
Will some team take a chance on San Diego infielder Ha-Seong Kim if the Padres deem Kim expendable now?
That’s what I’m wondering. The Padres seem like they have an extra 10 roster spots compared to every other team when they keep adding like this. One of their recent additions whose making a bit of money has to be on their way out, a bench of Hosmer, Profar, Kim etc. Would be pretty damn pricy to have.
Doubt they bench Hosmer. They’ll bench him against lefty starters. Possibly moving Myers to 1st and putting Frazier in the OF.
Kim at 7 mill a year and Profar at 3.5 this year, 6.5 ans 7.5 isn’t that expensive of a bench.
Meyers isn’t playing first, hasn’t been in the infield since 2018, and there’s a surplus of guys that can play first, including Frazier if they really wanted it that way. Profar has been the third string 1B after cronenworth and has been playing well lately, offensively and defensively in outfield or infield. Would be more likely to give him more at bats over Meyers or Hoz
If Preller takes on enough money he has to win something eventually right?
Sounds like we’ve reached a point where Hosmer will get paid $59m over the next 4 years to pinch hit???
Frazier will be their LF next year.
He took on virtually no money in this deal, so this comment is odd. Pirates are sending $1.4M with Frazier which means the Pads are basically paying Frazier league minimum for the remainder of the year.
I guess they’ll have to pay an arbitration raise next year, but they have other money coming off the books then, like Pham for example, then so this is a payroll neutral move in the short term and I don’t really get your point.
They still have to pay Frazier next year. For the same $5-6m you could just resign Pham. They’ve waited on Pham for a year and half to get going, he finally seems to have found it and now they’ve basically committed to replacing him in 2022 with a guy who has half a good season and no power.
Pham is making $9 million this year and will be making noticeably more next year. So yes, this saves them money. Getting the current MLB leader in hits is always a plus.
“…..so the $1.4MM sent from Pittsburgh will cover most of his remaining salary for 2021, which helps the Padres stay under the $210MM luxury tax threshold.”
What’s this say about future move this year (and next)?
They don’t want to go over the tax threshold? Other trades need to be revenue neutral? There are no other trades coming?
This is a KILLER move for The Fathers and it doesn’t seem like they gave up very much.
Zaidi needs to respond to this move with a STRONG acquisition!
Maybe he will just check the standings and roll with it?
I won’t be surprised if they add, but yeah, ML GMs do not act with that type of garbage baseball blog type mentality.
Giants need a right handed bat BADLY… and a solid 3rd or 4th starter, especially the way Gausman has pitched two games in a row.
Pirates got a whole lotta nothing LOL. Typical Pirates!
Totally agree, let their best player go for near zip
Best player? He’s having a great year but he’s not their best player. That would be Reynolds or Hayes. I’d even argue that Stallings is more valuable given his position.
I don’t see where this helps the Padres fill their needs unless they’re giving up on either Kim or Profar. If Frazier really an upgrade at 2nd if they chose to move Cron to 1st? Hosmer really isn’t so bad that they gain much there. Is Frazier really that much of an upgrade if he replaces Myers? I would take Myers combined stats over the past 2 years over Frazier.
The team desperately needs to stabilize it’s SP, and add another RP.
Frazier is having a nice year in terms of BA, but that’s an anomaly to his career. And he lacks pop and can’t run. What happens to Mateo now?
They gave up a lot, Marcano is MLB-ready. He handles the bat very well, and could easily match what Frazier has done in his career. Suwinski can rake, has at every level. I can see parting with those two if they filled a need, but I’m not seeing it here.
Myers and Hosmer are both decent players just streaky. In reality the lineup is good enough to have those two in it and still go places.
Should be working double time to acquire pitching. Last year they got to the playoffs and no bullets to fire pitching wise.
Hosmer has been a negative fWAR player 3 out of the last 4 seasons (only positive one being 2020). He’s really not decent. Agree they should be working on pitching, but I assume Preller is doing that also.
Hosmer is no prize, he’s basically league average. Even still his track record is longer than Frazier, so it’s hard to say Frazier is a huge upgrade in the lineup.
Hosmer is not league average. He’s below league average, by quite a bit.
LOL Myers and Hosmer decent players! LOL!
@ Remove If you’re going to replace Hosmer or Myers, do it with an upgrade, not a career punch-n-Judy hitter who runs the base paths like he’s 53 years old is all I’m sayin, This trade makes no sense to me.
You hit on why this trade could end up working out for the Pirates: Marcano. From what I am reading they badly wanted him back when they traded Musgrove to SD but the Padres wouldn’t include Marcano then. They are essentially banking on Marcano becoming at least as good as Frazier, and maybe also banking in this year being the anomaly for Frazier and that he will revert to being what he was before, an adequate to good everyday player. Plus, they get 2 lottery tickets thrown in with Suwinski and Miliano. I still feel like the Bucs could maybe have gotten more for Frazier, but I can understand where they might be coming from too.
I actually think they probably maxed out because of the 1.4 million they threw to san diego. Don’t see that happening if anything else was as close.
You’re upset with the trade but wanted Campusano instead? Lolol
In less than a year this will be another overpay from SD
Yeah the way I see it, Marcano wouldn’t have been a reasonable return for Frazier last year. So the pirates get a guy they think will be comparable and probably just as or more versatile as the guy who’s about to get paid
Jack Suwinski’s Baseball Reference profile picture is my favorite thing of the afternoon.
Is this a picture for ants?!
Next up for the Pads, Giancarlo Stanton who will waive his no trade. Slot him in RF and Yanks eat 35 million. Padres send back one low level prospect with some upside. Win Win as long as Dodgers don’t win!
Is “one low level prospect” Wil Myers’ new nickname?
I’ll take Myers for Stanton. Anything to get that dude off the books.
Yeah I’ll take Myers for Stanton also. Can’t stand watching him clog up the DH spot. He can still take but he needs to be out in RF and we have Judge so don’t need him.
As a Padres fan , it was a bad move for our part . We should of gotten pitching! Not happy . Kimberl and a a new first baseman
Their bullpen is great they just need another good SP that can go deep, that bullpen specially with Lamet on it is the best in the national league, they needed a good hitter that can get on base and they got that now just get the other piece.
There is still time for Preller & Co. to get pitching.
Honestly, I think Preller is just getting started. Don’t be surprised if it’s not just one but a couple of high profile pitchers.
Whoever thinks the Padres are not going after starting pitching knows little about Preller. They should reach the playoffs this year. Some of that IL pitching will be available next season. For those who know how this GM rolls, there should be at least one starter coming to SD. Who’s going is unknown. Might be Paddack.
Preller is not going to trade a current MLB starter for another one. He will trade someone who is not currently on the 26 man roster.
If the pitcher they bring back is better than Paddack, let’s say Berrios, Paddack could easily be part of the deal. Not saying the Padres are in on Berrios, just using him as an example.
As currently constructed, the White Sox are an average team in a bad division. Hoping Rick doesn’t hang his hat on a historic return out of Eloy to get to a WS, else we’re dogmeat in the playoffs.
The sox are the weakest of the playoff teams in my opinion, even with Eloy. They have been terrible vs. decent teams.
The White Sox have been competing for most of the season with AAAA players replacing LF/DH Eloy Jimenez, (4 months), CF Luis Robert (3 months and counting), 2B Nick Madrigal (1 month and counting) and C Yasmani Grandal (3 weeks and counting). All but Madrigal are returning, well before the conclusion of the regular season and ahead of the playoffs. Their starting rotation is the deepest in the AL with a #6 wild card in Michael Kopech for insurance. The White Sox bullpen was also considered the AL’s deepest pen before the season began. They have underperformed, in part due to some injured relievers who are also on the mend.
To suggest that the White Sox will continue struggling versus winning teams in the second half and into October with most of their expected lineup back is asinine. Injuries may continue to be an issue but if they manage to achieve a reasonable semblance of good health the White Sox are clearly not the “weakest of the playoff teams”. At least wait until the July 30th trade deadline passes before making such a predictive comment.
Preller went out and got far and away the best pitcher available at the trade deadline last year: Clevinger. Should they do so again? No. They should get 1 or 2 #4 or #5 starters who can fill innings for cheap. No pitcher the Padres trade for right now would be a part of their playoff rotation outside of Berrios or Scherzer. Preller may ask about them but he won’t be trading his top prospects for either a rental or whatever ridiculous cost the Indians want for Berrios.
Germans, Pearl Harbor? Leave him alone. He’s on a roll.
Berrois is on Twins and other Twins starters available. . Gibson available. Maybe Means,Harvey and so on. Hendricks if you give Cubs who they want, Also Diamondbacks/Rockies have guys available. Davies to.
Escobar is still available for Chicago, or Story (doubtful)… Get it done Hahn!
Cabrera to. Turner could be available 5o.
Other pure rentals include Jonathan Schoop, Josh Harrison and my favorite, Javier Baez. If the White Sox don’t mind giving up some young ‘spare’ MLB talent and what’s left of their farm then Trea Turner with his extra year of control could be their top target as the deadline approaches.
BC: “I really like this Maracano kid, but we have to ship 1.4 million with Frazier to get him”
Bob Nutting “WHAT!!!!!” (even though that’s like one of us losing 10 dollars)
Gotta respect Padres going for it. They’re looking at the Dodgers with half a minor league team this path month still ahead in the Division. Let’s see if the Dodgers can get healthy finally
This does not make any sense. None. Cronenworth has done a great job and they are not going to sit Hosmer down. This is just buying to buy.
Frazier can play OF, a position where the Pads could afford an upgrade. Cronenworth will not be moved.
He’s not an upgrade over Pham, and when Myers is on you leave him in the lineup.
Preller has made a lot if fancy acquisitions, but third place still. And they are not overtaking the Dodgers (or this year, the Giants).
I like SD and love to watch them, but they are a group of stars right now, not a great team.
Being able to play the OF is no guarantee that he will be an upgrade.
He played a lot of outfield for the pirates before 2020. I suspect for a much better team, he will be playing some outfield to stay in the lineup.
Good. Now pundits and White Sox fans can finally stop imagining dream scenarios of the Sox sending what few decent prospects they have to overpay for Frazier.
Yes. Thank you Rick Hahn for not caving to the meat heads.
Now the White Sox will have a chance to “overpay” even more for some other 2B options who are suddenly available, have some positional versatility and are not pure rentals…just like Adam Frazier!
The Nationals Trea Turner would be top-dog followed by Whit Merrifield.
The irony with Turner and the White Sox would be the reversal of circumstances from the last time these two teams pulled off a major blockbuster. Following the 2016 season, the White Sox began a big sell-off to jump start their long overdue rebuild by trading Adam Eaton to the Nats for a trio of highly regarded young pitchers. Eaton became an important contributor to the Nationals 2019 championship team. Meanwhile, the White Sox are primed for their own championship run with help from the 3 prospects they acquired from Washington. Lucas Giolito is one of their ace SP’s, Dane Dunning helped acquire a second in Lance Lynn while a suddenly rejuvenated Reynaldo Lopez has a chance to contribute to an underperforming bullpen. Turner could be the final piece to garner a ring for the White Sox this season and/or next.
As for Merrifield, it would be ironically hilarious if the White Sox were able to land him from the division rival Royals. Merrifield was the ideal missing piece for the Cubs the past few seasons as their contention window began to close but apparently the Royals viewed him as an “untouchable” prior to this summer’s trade deadline. Merrifield might have given the Cubs and their inconsistent offense a better opportunity to duplicate their 2016 championship. He potentially could do the same for the White Sox over the next 3 seasons.
Seems a bit light, but that might just be recentcy bias talking. Gotta remember that from 2016 to 2020, Frazier was a league average hitter and only ever once put up an fWAR of at least 2 just one time. He’s been great offensively this year, and I think he’ll be solid down the line. But the underlying numbers show some regression. Now regression=/=bad player. Think he’ll still end up putting up a 110 wRC+ in SDP. Though teams know it’s not the brightest idea to bank on less than 500 plate appearances this season vs 1804 plate appearances from 2016-2020.
To be honest, the more I think and read about Marcano, I don’t think it’s as bad as people are making it out to be. Frazier was never going to bring back some sort of uber-prospect, and ever expecting so was foolish. Marcano has probably the best hand eye coordination and bat to ball skill in the entire minor leagues. He’s also starting to show some good walking ability, which all pairs well in the long term.
Yeah, this isn’t a bad move. They hopefully replaced Frazier with a guy who could end up being our next super sub in the mold of Harrison or Frazier. Plus two prospects with some upside. It seems like a very fair deal to me.
Pirates found a GM who saw the BA and said SHINY. Check
Padres make trades with top 5 prospect by trading players they considered untouchable just this offseason. Hey look also check
Who that they gave up was ever considered untouchable?
It says in the write up they would not discuss Marcano in the trade discussions this offseason….
Says they weren’t willing to trade him for Musgrove. Not that they weren’t willing to trade him period. If they were willing to move Patiño and Wilcox of course they were willing to move Marcano in the right trade.
Marcano was never untouchable, and especially after seeing him suck it up earlier this year, he was definitely expendable
Marcano is 21 and is only playing AAA for the first time this year. His struggling in a short major league cameo earlier this year indicates pretty much nothing about his future prospects.
Yeah, he skipped a whole level, of course there were bound to be some struggles.
I guess the pirates didn’t think Mercedes for Frazier straight up was a great deal.
If only we lived in a simulation on MLB the show
Meh. The dude had one good half year, and has played great thus far this year. Does that guarantee anything?
The Pads were “coming for” the LAD before the season, we all heard about it 24/7. And yet, they are in third place. And plz, nothing about injuries, every team faces them.
Raise yr hand if you think Frazier will be a difference maker in this division.
You are delusional if you don’t think his bat will be a difference maker.
Frazier Tatis Cronenworth Machado grisham Pham Nola
A very imposing lineup, and the dodgers couldn’t handle them before the trade. As it looks right now, the padres and dodgers in. Alone game playoff, I’m taking the Padres
Meh, I’ll take the Dodgers and Giants pitching. Darvish ERA over 5 last 7 games. A lot of mediocre in that rotation.
The Padres didn’t face Buehler all those games against the Dodgers, though. He would start to wild card game and has been one of the best playoff pitchers since his rookie year
A guy who gets on base as much as Frazier with Tatis & Co. hitting behind him should scare teams. 1 single player is rarely solely responsible for making a difference for a team (Cespedes for the Mets in 2015) but if they add an arm or two then yeah, that could be a big difference maker.
Hahn working on BP help trade.
They will also grab Escobar when he can pass a Sox medical exam.
I wonder who the Pirates asked for in a Sox trade for Frazier, considering the Pirates didn’t get much although there were 3 of them.
You need pitching Padres. You can’t win with current starters.
I wish the Pirates didn’t take a bunch of guys who are all Rule V eligible. They already have 18 or so of them they need to protect.
Wait, that’s all it took to get Frazier? Marcano and two guys not even in the top 30? AND the Pirates sent back $1.4m??
A shameful trade by the Pirates. The Pirates trade their best trade chip for three players who are inferior versions of players the team has in its system. To add to the pain, the Pirates send cash to the Padres!
Pirates fans can now only hope that the team’s scouts saw something in these players.
I think the Pirates got more for Frazier than the Cubs did for Yu.
You might want to reconsider that Brewers 88. That deal is not looking as lopsided as it once did.
Cubs got 2 players that are comparable to this trades headliner. Unloaded 60 million. 2 other prospects. And whatever they can get for davies.
Pitt could have done better had they taken Heuer and Mercedes plus another prospect
Nobody is going to take the headcase that is Yermin Mercedes…
Isn’t Mercedes eligible for social security?
A 28 year old who just made it to the majors for the first time, had a great month, then sucked so bad the next 2 he quit baseball only to come back the next day
Good thing you aren’t a gm. You’d trade an asset for a guy that just stepped away from baseball?
He had a bad day.
Was back with Charlotte hitting a HR the next day.
MJ quit the Bulls and came back!
MJ had an excuse, his dad was murdered, that’s enough to make anyone do crazy things…
Or if you’re into conspiracy theories, rumor was that he was facing a gambling related suspension, so he got ahead of it by “retiring” for a year
The pirates fans are the biggest joke , its a shame they have a useless onwer making a mockery of the city that built him a new stadium. That’s the ONLY reason Pittsburgh still has a team . MLB should force him to sell , so they can put out team better than double AA
Why are Pirates fans a joke?
Why are Pirates fans a joke? The Pirates have had a team since the Roosevelt administration. You are the one who looks like a joke
The Padres regular infield will now be made up entirely of all-stars. That lineup looks pretty good!
“At worst, Marcano seems like he’ll have a future as a utilityman, and he could well become a regular due to his excellent contact skills at the plate. Marcano does lack some power, and while he possesses plus speed, BA’s scouting report notes that he will need to improve his baserunning instincts.”
That could have been copied and pasted from Adam Frazier’s scouting report a few years back.
It seems like Cherington found the next Frazier and have him for 6 years instead of 1 1/2. Plus the OF injects some more power into a system that has hardly any. Not thrilled with the trade return, but it could have been worse. Huge 40 man roster crunch coming though with the Rule 5 draft.
@bucfan This trade doesn’t help their roster crunch considering Marcano is already on the 40-man roster and the other 2 players the PIrates got will be Rule 5 eligible this offseason if not added.
Yeah I know, wasn’t clear above but that was the point of the comment. Lot of decisions to be made on who to protect/expose in the off-season. Getting to the point where the Bucs need to acquire very young prospects or load up on international bonus pool money again. Other option would be to package guys they don’t see a future in with their remaining chips to try and upgrade the return a bit. Cole Tucker comes to mind—someone might think they can get something out of him as a throw in to a larger deal centered on Rodriguez, Kuhl, etc
At least he’s better than Jackson Profile
Profar is more complete, more power, 20 SB guy. Switch hitter. Frazier can’t run, no power. Career 275 hitter but so is Hosmer
Suwinski drafted by the Padres, not the Pirates.
The problem with too many of Preller’s good deals is that the main target drops down in production starting Day 1. Injuries as well have ruined several promising trades, The trend is such that Frazier’s production may plummet. One admire’s Preller’s guts to continue at the quest like this.
Not to mention that his boss is very willing to pay all prices for Preller’s whims here, which remains a stunner. As a cancer survivor multiple times, great tenacity must be a trait.
If Marcano ever grows into his body, he’ll be a good Pirate player until he is traded for prospects in 2027. His eye at the plate is terrific. He has a chance.
I certainly could be wrong, but that sure sounds like a horrible return for the Pirates, especially considering how many teams seemed to be in on this guy and how early before the trade deadline it occurred. Guess there’s a reason the Pirates have sucked for most of my life….and I’m 50
I just want to take a moment to respect just how good and thorough MLBTRs writing is. A+
Baseball Trade Values says the Padres win this one
But the real question is did they fill a need. I’m not so sure.
They did, Frazier plays many positions, and if he’s playing second, crone can play first. Plus the fact Pitt gave em money opens the door for another move
Because of the cash thrown in with Frazier, we essentially got him for free this year in a cash sense. So we can still easily pick up a starter without taking a huge hit to the bank
Dodgers run has to end sooner or later and maybe this is the year. Mookie is out, Seager is out, Kershaw is out. Bauer is in limbo and is a highly paid non-factor. Jansen is starting to blow games. Bellinger literally couldn’t make contact with an oar right now. The Braves run ended, the Yankees run ended, so too will the Dodgers
If you’re dumb enough to think they’re magically going to suck at baseball, just keep swimming
Fangraphs has the dodgers at 67% odds to win NLW. Padres 13%. Guess they missed the boat too
All good things end sooner or later sir
No, Tucu Marcano will not immediately come up and hit over .300
My source within the Padres organization says the Padres and the Nats are close to a deal that would send Luis Campusano to the Nats and Max Scherzer to the Padres, likely with other, smaller pieces moving in both directions.
This. Like going to the dollar store and finding a receipt for like $40 weeks later for things you don’t remember actually using.
I think the Padres won this trade big time. They get Frazier this year(for no salary) and next year for 1 decent player and a couple of what looks like throw-ins. I can’t say I know a lot about them but from what I pulled up I don’t get it.
Huge get for the Padres, even if the Pirates catch a jackpot on one of the prospects, the Padres had to pick Frazier up, he’s one of the best contact hitters in the league.
Cool. The Brewers have six games coming up with the Pirates. Great timing!!!
How does SD get a player like Frazier who they don’t really need. Watched Frazier single the Mets to death over 7 games & they couldn’t try to deal for another “Met Killer.” Although he’s 1 of few met killers who only hit over 300 against them.
He’s hitting .324 against the entire league, it’s not all about your Mets. If they wanted him so bad they would’ve put forth a better offer, which wouldn’t have been too hard for them.
I once saw Marcano try to throw a ball to a kid in the stands – missed him by about 50 feet.
Extremely overrated profile. An improvement over Hosmer (although very similar xmetrics) and the cost wasnt extreme so it’s a net positive for the Padres, but this move simply doesnt move the needle or merit the attention of say the Cruz deal.
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26 July, 2021 - 02:00pm
26 July, 2021 - 01:04pm
The Padres landed second baseman/outfielder Adam Frazier in a deal with the Pirates for three prospects, making the move official on Monday.
San Diego is sending infielder Tucupita Marcano, ranked by MLB Pipeline as the team's No. 5 prospect, along with right-hander Michell Miliano and outfielder Jack Suwinski to Pittsburgh in exchange for Frazier and cash. The Pirates will cover the bulk of Frazier's salary this season, and he is under team contractual control through 2022.
Frazier, 29, has been one of the league's better hitters this season, having posted a .324/.388/.448 slash line with a Major League-leading 125 hits in 98 games. He is only the third player in the modern era to be traded midseason while leading the Majors in hits. Willie McGee went from the Cardinals to the A’s in 1990, and Red Schoendienst went from the Giants to the Braves in ‘57.
Frazier is in his sixth season in the big leagues, all with Pittsburgh, and is fresh off his first appearance in an All-Star Game -- a start at second base alongside Padres shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr.
Frazier’s fit will be a curious one, but team officials indicated that his bat will simply make the Padres better. It’s unclear who will give way in the starting lineup, but right fielder Wil Myers and first baseman Eric Hosmer have been streaky this season, and both have underperformed their 2020 numbers significantly. Frazier could replace Myers in right or play second, with All-Star reserve Jake Cronenworth sliding over to first. Perhaps something of a Myers/Hosmer platoon could emerge.
Here's one version of what the Padres’ lineup could look like, with the left-handed-hitting Frazier added to the mix:
There are, of course, still a few days before the Deadline, so things could change. But Frazier’s arrival gives the Padres an incredibly deep group of hitters. The bench already features Jurickson Profar and Ha-Seong Kim, who has been heating up lately. Now, theoretically, it adds a bat like Myers or Hosmer.
According to sources, the Padres still are actively scouring the trade market in search of pitching -- both starting and relief help. This comes after a frenzy last season that saw San Diego make six trades totaling 26 players in the three days leading up to Trade Deadline. Preller has until Friday, and it should surprise no one if there’s more to come.
26 July, 2021 - 04:15am
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS - JUNE 02: Tucupita Marcano #16 of the San Diego Padres bats against the Chicago Cubs at Wrigley Field on June 02, 2021 in Chicago, Illinois. The Cubs defeated the Padres 6-1. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)
Sunday evening the Pittsburgh Pirates traded All-Star second baseman Adam Frazier to the San Diego Padres. In return for Frazier the Pirates acquired a trio of prospects from the Padres. The headliner of this group was utility man Tucupita Marcano.
On the surface Marcano may seem like an underwhelming headliner for the Frazier trade. However, it is clear that the Pittsburgh Pirates value Marcano highly. After all, general manager Ben Cherington included $1.4 million going to the Padres in the trade to assure landing Marcano.
After news of the trade broke it was reported that the Pirates having interest in Marcano is nothing new. According to Jon Heyman of the MLB Network this is not the first time the Pirates have attempted to acquire Marcano.
Tucupita Marcano, 2B, was the key guy in deal for Pirates. He was the one we wanted. Ranked No. 5 in Padres system — and was not available during talks this off-lseason in Musgrove deal. Jack Suwinski and Michell Miliano the others going to Pitts. Strong return.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) July 25, 2021
This past offseason the Pittsburgh Pirates attempted to land Marcano in the Joe Musgrove trade. At the time, however, Marcano was not available, according to Heyman. If Marcano was indeed unavailable in the Musgrove trade that is also an endorsement in his ability. Any time a team is unwilling to move a prospect that is a sign that they value the player highly.
Another sign of the Padres valuing Marcano highly is the fact that when injuries piled up early in the season they gave him an opportunity at second base. From the get go this season the Padres have been in win-now mode, so if they gave Marcano an opportunity that is a sign that they had belief in him.
The Pittsburgh Pirates having interest in Marcano should not come as a surprise. He can play multiple positions, which Cherington, Derek Shelton and the rest of the Pirate brass value. Additionally, he is just 21-years-old and already has MLB experience. While he will likely begin his Pirate career at Triple-A Indianapolis, odds are he will see a return to the Major Leagues before the end of the 2021 season. This means Marcano could help now, as well as being a player who could become part of the Pirate core moving froward.
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26 July, 2021 - 03:53am
Padres’ wild road trip ends with trade for valuable bat in Adam Frazier
26 July, 2021 - 03:53am
Padres’ wild road trip ends with trade for valuable bat in Adam Frazier
25 July, 2021 - 05:54pm
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Frazier, 29, who leads baseball in hits this year, is not a free agent until after the 2022 season.
Pittsburgh is also sending approximately $1.4 million to the Padres in the deal, according to The Associated Press.
Frazier entered Sunday hitting .327 -- the second-best average in Major League Baseball -- with four home runs and 32 RBIs.
A 2020 Gold Glove finalist and an All-Star this season, Frazier was the Pirates' second-longest-tenured player, behind right fielder Gregory Polanco.
When asked about possibly being traded a week ago, Frazier said he wasn't letting it distract him.
"It's pretty cool to be recognized like that and have teams want you," Frazier said. "It means a lot. It tells you you're playing well, but I still have to worry about playing baseball."
Marcano, 21, is hitting .272 with six home runs and 26 RBIs for Triple-A El Paso. He has played this season at shortstop, second base and in the outfield.
Suwinski, 22, has 15 home runs this season for Double-A San Antonio.
Miliano, 21, is 2-2 with two saves and a 3.60 ERA in Class A this season.